Wednesday, July 23, 2014 00:21

Fairytale News | Spoilers (2).


'Mel on reading' is a little feature I created as part of my Fairytale news. It's my way to show my thoughts on topics that go from pet peeves in reading to my favorite things in books.

A while back I talked about spoilers and if there is such a thing as ‘a spoiler that stops being a spoiler’ after a certain time. You can find my post about it right here: Spoiler talk.

Basically, my question was when it’s okay to talk about details. Is there a time limit for a spoiler? I hate spoilers with a passion, so one of the negative things (for me) of being a blogger is stumbling on (accidental) spoilers. I wanted to know what you thought about handling information we might not consider as a spoiler anymore, because of the age of the book (like with Harry Potter/LOTR/GOT) I also wondered how we should deal with them on social platforms, like Twitter.

Most of you guys had the same idea as me, which means that as long as things are popular and on going (like with Game of thrones and the TV show) you should be careful about it. Otherwise, there is no ‘rule’ you should follow, but it’s always kind to take other people in consideration. Placing a spoiler tag in your review isn’t that hard, but at the same time it’s always a good thing to be careful yourself. If you know you are going to read a book soon, it might be best to stay away from reviews.

Almost everyone was also on the same page when it comes to Twitter. Spoilers are inevitable, unfortunately. It is preferred if you take those conversations personal (like with DM’s or other platforms like Whatsapp), but it’s up to you. Therefor it’s best to stay away from Twitter when it comes to new releases and new aired episodes. Again, if you are a tweeter it might be nice of you to warn people for upcoming spoiler tweets.

Today I want to tackle something I haven’t talked about in the previous discussion and that is spoilers in comments. It has happened to me that I came across people who openly talked about spoilers in their comments. It is of course free for you to talk about that, but do you ever think about this? Are you aware that you might accidentally spoiler someone else if you go into detail, while the review used spoiler tags?

I always try to stay vague when I comment, because I would feel terrible knowing I ruined a book for someone else. So my next question is, how do you feel about this? Have you ever consider this possibility or do you never read comments?
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Mel@thedailyprophecy

Mel is a microbiology technician who is obsessed with Disney, fairytale retellings and fantasy. If she's not reading or blogging, she's either busy with gaming, hanging out with family or watching a TV show. She loves summer and bright nail polish. One of her dreams is to travel the world. She has found her Prince Charming and they are together for 7+ years.

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  1. Hmmm, I'm new on Twitter so I didn't know there were many people putting spoilers. I'll be careful with that although I'm really not the type of person to put spoilers in my reviews because I hate them. They ruin our reading experience. Also, when a reviewer describes the book way too much, I consider it as a spoiler since I know too much about the book. I prefer those giving their opinion on the writing, characters and stuff but not talking about them over and over again. Hope I was a least a bit clear. :P And, yeah, great idea to put spoiler tags!

    Lola @ Hit or Miss Books

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    1. Twitter is filled with spoilers, especially when a new episode from a TV show is released + people often talk openly about books and might give away too much details.

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  2. Okay, first off that little bambi is adorable (:

    Secondly, I feel like spoilers in comments are okay. Just because I know personally if I finished a book recently and so did another person, I want to talk about this story thoroughly. I also feel like if you're reading through comments you should almost except spoilers because there's a high chance that with us bloggers we've read the same books and want to talk about them.

    With twitter, I feel like spoilers are definitely rampant. It's because of this that if you're not live tweeting/live watching the show, I'd stay far away from twitter. Part of what makes live tweeting so much fun is that you're watching and discovering a new episode at the same time as another. So spoilers are obviously something that'll pop up.

    Great discussion! (:

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    1. Oh yes, that is also true. You should have a place to discuss, what better way than on your blog? But at the same time it might be smart to warn people, because I sometimes had that I scrolled through the comments and someone SCREAMED A SPOILER like this.. and it just catches your eyes whether you want it or not.

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  3. I've had people comment on reviews and give away plot points. So this has definitely crossed my mind!

    To be honest, I tend to stay away from reading comments on reviews for books I have not read, simply because I know that people CAN spoil a book in their comment.

    Which is probably the main reason why I keep my comments on reviews for books I have read as spoiler free as my own reviews. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone, through my blog or my comment, so I strive not to.

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  4. Sometimes spoilers ruin the whole book.That's what happened to me with Allegiant.Throughout Twitter,everyone was raging about the end,so I completely lost interest to take up the book.
    Teasers are okay,they actually increase the anxiousness to read the book,but I think spoilers should be avoided in reviews.

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  5. I always try to say "the thing you mentioned in spoilers" and vaguely talk about it if I have anything to say. I don't read other people's comments. Usually. Unless it's right above mine and I know the person and I accidentally spot something that picks my interest. But I'm aware that people spoil on comments. Sometimes they do on mine, a friend of mine especially, and it's.. Idk how to tell that person to please lay back on spoilers. One always tweets spoilers for shows too and they're not vague or about some great lines or something, they always tweet about major plot twists and it's bugging the hell out of me, but Idk how to say nicely without offending them to please stop spoiling so openly. With my reviews, I always try to do my best to be vague and not spoil key stuff, but sometimes that person just talks about it so openly that even though I love them and love their comments and love talking to them, I always cringe thinking that maybe someone sees their comment and will be spoiled. I mean.. there's a difference if you ruin a book for yourself since you can forget about some things over time, but when someone else spoils you, it'll be burned into your mind foevaa.

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    1. That's how I try to comment as well. Just in case. I think it's okay to say something about it as :)

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  6. I don't blatantly tell spoilers in my comment, even though the writer of the post has already read or watched it...or if I'm dying to talk about it then I will mention the spoiler as vague as possible...because I realize that some people might read my comment...But honestly, I don't normally read other comments unless I feel like to or the topics are very fascinating that I want to see other people's responses xD

    Luckily, I have never got spoiled for books on twitter...I remember that one time I was so scared of Allegiant spoilers so I was very careful on twitter...but then I clicked at one of Veronica Roth's pics on instagram and I accidentally scrolled down and read the comment....and you can guess what the comments are ><

    That's a whole different story on tumblr though :( I have been spoiled for my favorite anime there so many times that I don't care much about spoilers anymore :/

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    1. Tumblr is perhaps even worse than Twitter! At least there is the availability to mute certain words.

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  7. I hate spoilers so much that I always make sure not to spoil...like, in ANY situation. Unless I'm talking completely in private with somebody who's definitely already read/seen the thing we're talking about.

    This is a really good post, because I feel like people put spoilers in comments ALL THE TIME. And it would be so easy for somebody to be scrolling through them and accidentally read something that would completely ruin it for them. But I feel like people just don't think about that, because their comment is directed at the blogger, who's obviously already read the book.

    I'd just say that it's better to be safe than sorry. People should try to be as vague as possible in comments, or — even better — switch to a Twitter DM or email if they want to talk more in detail. It's just safer & more respectful for everybody that way!

    Great post, Mel :D

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    1. I can see how easy it is to spoiler in your comments, because yes, mostly your comment is for the blogger and not for others. But like you say, I like to be careful anyway :)

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  8. I don’t mind spoilers, it doesn’t affect me as much as other people do. In my other fandom, spoilers are discussed and appreciated. As for books, there weren’t a time that I enjoy it less knowing what will happen. In fact, spoilers, heighten my anticipation because I now know what will happen and if it’s something I absolutely look forward to then all the merrier for me. But I understand why people don’t like ‘em so as a respect I just tried to be vague about it, regardless if the material is new or not.

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  9. Once again we agree completely Mel ^^ I always try to stay vague in my comments too; hint at whatever I'm referring to and leave it at that. Sometimes I feel like I'm overly vague and the person who's post I'm commenting on might not even get it LOL! I do read comments often enough but since you do tend to get spoiled, I avoid both reviews AND comments for something I REALLY do NOT want to be spoiled for. It still surprises me how so many people don't get that and will post ALL the spoilers all over the place as soon as THEY have finished a book. I guess I'm really at the other end of the spectrum: always too worried about everybody else and scared to ruin even the most minor detail...I wish people would stop and thing sometimes before they post.

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    1. Me too! I really like to be careful with books I will be reading soon. I don't want to know anything about them in case I read something or get too high expectations.

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  10. It's a tricky situation. My own personal rule is not to read reviews for books I haven't read yet but really want to so as to avoid spoilers, so naturally I avoid comments on that review. I know a lot of the blogosphere follows that rule, but of course not everyone does. I try to be vague when commenting on reviews, but at the same time I feel like that comes under 'being careful yourself'. If you don't want to be spoiled about a book, it makes logical sense to me to avoid places where there's a high likelihood of spoilers, e.g. reviews and their comments.

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  11. I always try to avoid leaving spoilers in comments if the post is spoiler free. If the post has spoilers, I think it's probably ok.

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  12. I usually avoid reading comments on blog posts for this exact reason. I know that comments on book reviews often include spoilers, so unless I have already read the book, I just stick to writing my own comment and not reading any of the others. The only time I ever read comments on blog posts are for the discussion posts like this one or for a review on a book that I have already read because then I know I'm safe. But even so, it's so difficult to avoid spoilers. Especially for Game of Thrones! lol They are all over Twitter, and I've tried to avoid them but I usually see at least one. Great post, Mel!

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    1. Avoiding GOT spoilers is a sport! Takes so much effort to stay away from them, haha.

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  13. I don't read blog comments on other blogger's reviews, but that's not really because I'm afraid of spoilers. I'm just not very interested in them (I prefer reading other comments on discussion posts). I have come across a couple spoilers in comments on my own reviews and even though they obviously don't spoil the book for me, I still don't like seeing them. My blog is spoiler free and I don't want my visitors to come across anything that would spoil a book for them--whether its in the post itself or in the comments.

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  14. I just left a comment on another blog with spoilers, but clearly marked that they were coming in case anyone wanted to bow out. I actually don't mind spoilers at all. Sometimes if I am really into a series, I will look ahead to see what is going to happen. But, of course I know that others hate it, so whenever I mention a spoiler, I give a warning first. It just seems like common courtesy!

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    1. That's how I feel about it too! It's not hard to give a warning just in case :)

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  15. I don't usually read many blog comments from other people, especially for reviews. I think that has more to do with disinterest for me than staying away from spoilers. I think I usually try to be really vague when I talk about spoilers in comments. Obviously big spoilers like "so and so died" should never be written out, even in comments. but there can be a lot of grey area too when it comes to what a spoiler is and what isn't. Maybe some people don't know when they are crossing that line?

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    1. I think many people write comments to the blogger instead of thinking that other people might read it too :)

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  16. I feel like spoilers in comments are fair game, because I guess I don't think anyone else would go through the comments and read them unless they're already up to date. I mean, I like to read articles about TV series sometimes - like Game of Thrones - but then I consciously always stay away from the comments section because I feel like it's fair game for people to discuss upcoming plot points from the books there.

    I dunno, I feel like it's easy to avoid spoilers in comments, because it's not the main focus of a webpage, and if you go that far... well, you should know what you're risking.

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  17. Love this post Mel. <3 Thank you for sharing :) But.. heh. I kind of NEED spoilers before I read a book. And I want them all the time. But I do prefer it when it happens via DM. I think. I'm not sure yet. Mostly I just want to know everything, hih :) But it do sucks if you get spoiled for a book when you don't want to. Sigh. Sorry. <3

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  18. I don't mind spoilers at all. Sometimes I am the one who seeks spoilers. It's weird, but I've been like this since forever. But for some, spoilers are bummers! And I understand that. That's why when I comment, I always keep it vague like "SO MANY FEELS BC UMMM *THAT* SCENE" kind of comments ;) I don't like ruining the book to other people too. :D Great post, Mel :D

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  19. I hate it when people post spoilers in comments, or anywhere for that matter! In fact, a blogger did it on my post today. Even if I am reviewing an older book, I still try to avoid them because a lot of people that actually read reviews are doing so because they HAVEN'T read the novel.

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  20. I loathe spoilers no matter what the platform, and I don't know how I feel about imposing a time frame for what constitutes fair game . . . I think under certain circumstances it could be acceptable for older books (like your examples of LOTR and HP, etc. or others like Narnia), b/c it's more rare for a person who hasn't read the books to stumble across them. People actively seek out information about new books, so if you include a spoiler, there's good chance you're going to ruin something for someone, but if you randomly reference something that happens in a decade(s) old book, it's less likely to spoil someone . . . Still, I'd feel awful if I did spoil someone that way, so I avoid doing it like the plague.

    Fabulous post. There are definitely people who need to be more aware about being careless with spoilers.

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    1. I try to avoid it too, but I have found out I might have slipped some HP information here and there without thinking that it might spoil people..

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  21. Yes! The dreaded spoiler comments. I love reading comments anywhere, anytime, but when it comes to series that most likely carries a spoiler bomb (like GoT), I tend to stay the hell away from them. I don't read any posts whatsoever nor would I go online if I haven't watch the episode yet. This is also true when it comes to reviews. I NEVER include spoilers in mine and I am insanely careful when I'm talking/reviewing books that are part of the series. I hate spoilers and I would hate myself if I needlessly or unintentionally gave something away.

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  22. Personally, I try really hard not to include spoilers in my reviews, at all. It's only happened once or twice, I think, and both times people were warned. I also don't recall ever talking about spoilers in comments- I've actually never come across that, but now you've mentioned it, I see how it could happen. Twitter is like a death-trap for people who hate spoilers like me... I love it, but when I accidentally look at what someone's tweeted to an author and end up getting spoiled, just ugh... Makes me sad, especially when people are asking why the author killed a character.. It just bugs me.. I do agree that when something isn't current, spoiler 'rules' are more lenient. :) great discussion!!

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    1. I saw a picture of 'For Twitter is dark and full of spoilers' and that made me laugh, because it's so true!

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  23. I try to avoid spoilers in my reviews, but if I can't help it, I put them in spoiler brackets so people can choose whether or not to read it.Or if it's something older like HP, I just put a warning in the beginning of the review. Same with sequels. =)

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  24. Spoilers are a pain in the ass. There's no way else to describe them.

    I've been getting spoiled a lot with my favorite anime show, and it's driving me crazy. People just drop those bombs on YouTube comments, and BAM -- before I know it, a few twists are destroyed and I can't erase those damn spoilers from my brain. Those are trolls, so they're pretty much unsavable, but yes, to answer your question, I have come across spoilers on my blog, in the comments. It happened recently, in fact. Someone spoiled the entire ending for Allegiant (which I was ABOUT to get to; re-reading Divergent now) and I was so shocked and angry at the same time, because the comment came from a favorite blogger of mine, and even though I knew they didn't mean to, it still stung.

    I agree, the comments is where you are allowed to say whatever you please -- but if you're going to drop a bombshell about a book or TV show or film, please, for the love of God and all things beautiful, give a warning before you do so. Just a simple warning can save me a truckload of agony. I know how awful it feels to be spoiled, so I try to be vague in whatever I write: reviews, tweets, comments, etc. And if a tweet of mine contained a spoiler, I'd delete it. If a review of mine contained a spoiler, I'd warn readers. I mean, it's common courtesy.

    Don't be a true fan and think that just because you've read the book and know the ending, it gives you a free pass to spout spoilers left, right, and center. KEEP THOSE MURDEROUS THOUGHTS IN YOUR HEAD. (As you can see, I get really worked up when I talk about spoilers. It's just been happening too often and Mel, it hurtzzz. *cries*)

    Great post, Mel! Spoiling in comments is definitely possible, unfortunately.

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    1. Oh wow, that is harsh! I saw the same happen on Jamie's blog with a huge HP spoiler (but the person said sorry in the end, because she didn't realize it) I have the same thing, haha. I was SO mad when I read a spoiler about Allegiant and when some horrible person tweeted all kinds of spoilers for the GOT episode I was about to see.

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  25. A lot of the times I try not to read comments on reviews of books I haven't read. But if it's a book I've read then I read the comments. I always find those interesting. I can sometimes handle spoilers but that's only if I want to know what happens. But I hate being spoiled on books that i'm about to read. It's funny because I don't mind being spoiled for tv shows. I always want to know what happens even though that's probably ridiculous! This is a great post :)

    Janina @ Synchronized Reading

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  26. I guess it's not often that I read other people's comments on other blogs, unless I'm really into the topic they are discussing. But if it's a review, I rarely read comments just in case I get spoiled. I think it's okay to talk about it vague terms, but sometimes I've seen it just posted up but I think you read the comments at your own risk you know?

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  27. I don't think it's happened to me yet, but I certainly have seen it happen to others. When I read a review that I haven't read yet, I stay away from the comment section. Chances are, someone there has read the book already, and to discuss it in greater detail, will have to disclose certain plot points or characters that would inevitably ruin the book for me.I recognize that possibility, so I take the effort to stay away. On twitter, I agree with Larissa - live tweeting it with others makes the experience so much better for yourself, as you get to experience it with other people watching, too. That's why I also avoid Twitter when that happens because I understand where they are coming from, but I also recognize my need not to be spoiled so I stay away. Of course, when the episode has come and gone, and someone spoils it for me, I'd be annoyed, and that's not my call anymore but theirs. My two cents anyway! Haha.

    Faye at The Social Potato Reviews

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    1. I feel that way too! I KNOW that Twitter is a dangerous place, so that's why I stay away when I know people are going to talk about it :p

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  28. I actually don't usually read all the comments a blog post has...and I feel cautious about using spoilers in comments myself but then...what's a person to do if they need to talk about the spoilery part?!! If there's spoilers in the review, I feel like it's safe to assume there can be spoilers in the comments, right?! I've had a whole series ruined for me because the post just started off with NO SPOILER WARNING about the pivotal plot swing of the series. -_- I was furiously disappointed.
    My pet spoiler peeve though, is when people are just like "SPOILER" but they don't say what for...so I'm not sure if I can read it or not. At least say what book/series the spoiler is for so I can know if I can read or not....*sigh*

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  29. Yeah... I think I do use spoilers in my comments. But I think that's to be expected, because when you comment on another persons review, it's either to say that you're dying to read the book, or to share your opinion (or fangirl together...)
    Spoilers in comments are pretty unavoidable really. For me, I don't really check other comments when I'm commenting on another persons blog (unless I recognize somebody and want to know what they said), so its not a problem.
    Spoilers in reviews are a WHOLE other thing, I avoid them at all cost in my own reviews, because I would hate to spoil a book for others. If I do include them, it's always hidden and readers can choose to read it for themselves by clicking on it.

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  30. Yeah I try to avoid spoilers in comments. If I know I want to dish all the dirty details I say so in the beginning of the review: WILL BE SPOILERS! Lol. I also make sure to mark my reviews. It's hard for me to stay away from reviews when I'm reading a book sometimes I get so curious like, on goodreads, which of my friends have read this book? Did they like it? :P you're right about twitter though. That's where it's easiest to read spoilers inadvertently. People need to keep that shit in the DMs!

    Dee @ Dee's reads

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  31. Sometimes I feel really self concious when I write a spoiler on a comment because I'm afraid that someone is going to read it and get spoiled!

    As for spoilers in general, I really try not to spoil ANYTHING regardless of the age of the book (or TV show, or movie). I mean if you don't know who Darth Vader is, then you really have a problem ;D However I try to be really considerate because I understand that some people have difficulty reading books that are recently acquired.

    Great post! :D

    Marianne @ Boricuan Bookworms.

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    1. Haha, yes, if you don't know who that is I don't know where you've been living :p

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  32. I try to avoid all reviews if I'm right about to read the book but that's hard like I had been doing that with Ruin and Rising the past month but then finally decided if I haven't read it by now I'm not going to immediately in the next few weeks so I'm not reading reviews on it because I think I already know whats going to happen.

    Also as for twitter and all that media - yeah spoilers are unavoidable - I won't let that stop me from going on social media and I won't let it prevent me from reading the book. Spoilers don't really spoil things for me ALL that much - just a little.

    In the comments people should totally be careful! I read other peoples comments cause I like to know what they think as well.

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  33. I wouldn't say I often put spoilers in the comments I leave on other people's blogs, but I don't consciously avoid them either. I view comments as a platform for discussion on that post and if I feel like bringing up something that happened, I usually do. I don't typically read the comments left by others so I guess I assume only the blog author would be reading my comment or its a "read at your own risk" kind of thing. That being said, I don't call attention to my spoliers either like....

    I CAN"T BELIEVE SO AND SO DIED!

    because that can easily be picked up when scrolling through. And if it really is a huge spoiler and the blog author will know what I am talking about if I stay a little vague, then I will avoid mentioning names or specifics. Again, I don't really have a rule. I try to be mindful of other people but I am probably most lax in my comments.

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    1. Yes! I always put a warning and not too much emphasis on what happens, because if you put something SO BIG IN THE COMMENTS, someone is going to notice it no matter how hard they try to ignore it.

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  34. I don't think spoilers get old and stop being spoilers, there's always someone that hasn't read a certain book. I still haven't read a whole bunch of books and I would hate seeing a spoiler around even if the book is like 100 years old. And I know other would agree because there's a lot of people still going through ASoIaF series and HP series (my cousin only read them recently) or any other book. I still haven't read all Percy Jackson books and even though they're old, I'd be mad if I found spoilers.

    On Twitter, it sucks even more because you can't even be prepared for a spoiler. On blogs, you might be able to avoid them, on social media that thrives from the 'now' it's hard, so i seriously had to unfollow some friends because they were so inconsiderate.
    Basically, if someone isn't bothered by spoilers, just be considerate enough to warn people because some of us are. :) I don't mind them as long as I know they're there and can safely avoid them.

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