Monday, April 21, 2014 12:20

Fairytale News | Spoilers.


'Mel on reading' is a little feature I created as part of my Fairytale news. It's my way to show my thoughts on topics that go from pet peeves in reading to my favorite things in books.

Spoilers, one of the things I hate with a fierce passion. A spoiler can ruin everything for me. A book (or a movie) is a journey for me. When I start the first page, I have no idea what I’m starting. The story builds up, the plot is thickening and finally I will reach the end and hopefully will be surprised when they reveal the conclusion. If I already know what is going to happen, I have the idea I’m reading the book for nothing. Why would I care about the story if it’s obvious that Y is going to die? Or if the killer is the MC’s best friend? It takes all the surprise, pleasure and fun out of the story.

It’s great when you can handle spoilers though. I know several people who look for them on the internet or who read the ending first before starting the book. You should do whatever you want, but I just can’t do it. It enrages me when people carelessly thrown this information around, whether it’s in their review or on Twitter. Always be careful with revealing information! But the thing that always makes me wonder is, when does a spoiler stop being a spoiler? When is it okay to talk about big happenings?

Let’s say I talk about HP and I mention that X dies. What if someone who has never read HP, but is planning to start it soon didn’t know about it.. I always assume everyone has read HP or already knows what is going to happen, but what if that person doesn’t? Harry Potter has been published for years, but can the things we talk about still be spoilers and how should we deal with them? Because the thing is, this is what is happening with Game of Thrones/A song of ice and fire.

The first book was published in 1996 (at least, that is the oldest version I could find on Goodreads). The series is starting to get more publicity because of the TV show. Posting spoilers is now a horrible crime, but the book is already so old that it’s possible people who read them are talking about it. I’ve even seen a tweet of someone claiming that openly talking about all the books isn’t spoilering, because the books are already so old. Still, I’m reading the books for the first time and I’m watching the TV show and I like to know nothing like Jon Snow. I want to be surprised or horrified, but there is a certain truth in that tweet too. The only difference with this series is that there is a TV show now, but how should we handle information we might not consider as spoilers anymore, because the book is old?

It’s easy in reviews. You put a warning at the beginning of your review or you use spoiler brackets (or whatever method you prefer). But how should we deal with this on other platforms like Twitter? I’m very interested to see what you guys think about this! I will try to form my opinion about this topic and I will handle it next discussion post together with spoilers in comments.

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Mel@thedailyprophecy

Mel is a microbiology technician who is obsessed with Disney, fairytale retellings and fantasy. If she's not reading or blogging, she's either busy with gaming, hanging out with family or watching a TV show. She loves summer and bright nail polish. One of her dreams is to travel the world. She has found her Prince Charming and they are together for 7+ years.

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  1. Spoilers are my worst enemy. I've been spoiled about books and shows way too many times and I try to avoid websites (TUMBLR!!!!1!!!) that I know aren't safe when I'm reading/watching something. I was once just scrolling away on tumblr when I read a post full of theories regarding Game of Thrones and I started reading it because at first it seemed pretty innocent. I mean I've read 4 of the 5 books how bad could it get? Right? Until I read a spoiler about Jon Snow that I did not want to know yet. People need to start tagging their spoilers on there...

    I also kind of rushed reading Allegiant because I didn't want to get spoiled about the ending. Honestly I'm glad I did because a few weeks ago I was watching a video on YT where someone just spoiled the whole thing without a warning or anything.

    I try to warn people if I'm going to spoil something or just try not to spoil anything altogether. I also feel like everyone has read/seen Harry Potter and I talk about the stuff that happens in those books without warning. I once mentioned that my favorite ship was *SPOILER* romione and someone commented that they didn't even know they got together in the end...
    Spoilers are unavoidable, it's bound to happen sometime but it's good to be cautious.

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    1. I have the same thing! I try to avoid those type of websites too, especially Twitter. It's so important to tag a spoiler and make people aware of them. And yes, I think that's my opinion too. You have to be aware that there is a huge possibility you will get spoiler ed if you are on the internet.

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  2. I think that it's not that controversial with HP right now since the books AND the movies are all out and most of our generation grew up with those books (though still, it's better to be cautious with spoiling as well as accidentally stumbling upon them) whereas the GoT TV show gets so many new fans every day and many of them are just starting to read the books. While I get that it's not actually a spoiler since "hello, the book has been out for a decade already", but at the same time, stuff hasn't happened in the show yet. Perhaps that's where PLL and TVD succeeded in not following the books religiously: the readers as well as newcomers to the show will all get to experience the show and books as different experiences and the spoilers don't bother anyone anymore because they don't apply from books to show and vice versa (unless you wake up one morning and you get all the spoilers on what happened on last night's episode. It's wise to not open social media before watching the latest episode :D). Idk. This topic (where there's a show/movie based on a book) has so many opinions and in my opinion, there's no "right" or "wrong" with these things.

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    1. Agreed, I think there are too many different opinions about spoilers, that's what makes it so interesting to think and talk about. I think you are absolutely right, I always try to stay away from the internet after a new episode, because there are always people talking about it.

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  3. Oh spoilers. I hate to love them. I hate it when I read a spoiler by accident. But I usually look for movie spoiler on Wikipedia. I don't know why. I enjoyed reading a detail summary of the movie and sometimes it enhances the experience when I watch it. Is that weird? Now, with books I'm a little bit more careful. If I really don't want any spoilers I stay away from reviews. It works for me most of the time.

    Bethzaida @ Bookittyblog

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    1. No, it's not weird at all! Everyone has their own way to enjoy a movie/book, so you should do what feels good to you :D

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  4. whispers: I love spoilers... I'm one of those readers who seek spoilers particularly those books I'm excited to read. It has an opposite effect on me, I'm more motivated to read it immediately and look forward to that spoiler to happen. If it's a bad spoiler (against what I wanted), it helps me prepare the inevitable.

    But most readers don't want to get spoiled, so as a reviewer/blogger, I tend to write vague reviews for their sakes. ;D

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    1. Haha, I always find it fascinating when people look for spoilers! It's exactly the opposite of what happens to me, but I can understand you in a way.

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  5. I love this post! So I too obviously hate spoilers but for some reason the entire Game of Thrones aspect of spoilers doesn't bother me. Maybe because I'm not as sensitive to TV shows, I'm just kind of like whatever, the shows only 50 minutes, I'll see it myself shortly. But I do think that people getting mad about those spoilers in particular is a little much. Like you said, the book came out in 1996, almost 20 years ago! If people want to discuss in an open public forum go ahead. They're so old I think there is a statute of limitations when it comes to spoiler discussion. Harry Potter, too. Now that all the movies are even out and non-book people know how it ends, I wouldn't feel bad talking about it on Twitter. But that's just me.

    In regards to blogging, I used to put spoilers ahead in posts, now I don't even talk about spoilers. I'll just find a way to say 'I can't say more, read the book' or just not even address it. It's just easier to me to not even go there.

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    1. Leaving spoilers out all together is also a good way. I sometimes go there too, unless I feel I need to rage about something, haha. I'm a little wary when it comes to GOT. My sister accidentally spoiled something I haven't seen yet and it still made me a little mad, haha.

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  6. I'm of the mind that if you are going to post about anything that's come out in the past couple years, you should write SPOILERS in all caps before writing a status or a post haha! (Or if it isn't well known. I sometimes wonder about this, but I don't do spoilers for HP, because I assume in most places I'm talking about it everyone's already read it, even though I know it's not the case. So it also depends what I'm saying) I include Game of Thrones in this (or I would if I wasn't waiting for the series to finish before I start it) because it's ongoing. The books have been out, but the movies are on now. So I put Divergent, The Hunger Games, TFIOS, etc. under this list because there's another form of media telling this story to a lot of people who are going to be a new audience.

    ...I'm with Mitchii though hahaha I'm one of those terrible people who reads the last few pages of a book before I finish it (although with ebooks I'm much better as it's too much of a hassle to flip between pages). I just need to know if anyone dies or if my character ends up with my ship! I have to prepare myself in case things go wrong, I don't handle it when it comes as a surprise hahah

    And on a side note, I've had crazy spoilers for GoT. I am starting to regret waiting so long to start it, because I feel like a lot of things have been spoiled for me :-/ I might start reading/watching so I get through the series without EVERYTHING being spoiled

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    1. Oh, that is also a good way to decide when the spoiler stops being a spoiler. As long as it's ongoing and popular, you should try to take care of the information you share. I think I'm going to use this for my next post.

      Haha, it's completely against my nature to read the last pages first :p

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  7. I tend to err on the side that searches out spoilers, and I still can't figure out why. Most of the time, it's for books that deal with heavy subjects (example: is the cancer patient going to die or be in remission this time??), or books that have a huge reputation and I have to figure out why everyone is losing their hair over it (Allegiant).

    Most of the time, I'll still read the book and enjoy it just as much, but it's nice to be prepared for the possible emotions I'm going to feel. I needed to be spoiled for Allegiant and The Fault In Our Stars, that way I could plan a day at home to read the entire thing, have a good cry, and be done with it. If I hadn't been spoiled, I may have read it in public, and who knows what would have happened then!

    As far as HP, I have the same mentality: who hasn't read it, or seen the movies, or at least talked to someone who has? But that's a personal issue, and I have to remind myself not to assume that HP is a favorite of everyone else just because it's my favorite series ever.

    For Game of Thrones, I'm mostly "eh" about spoilers. I'm not so invested in the show that I wig out when I'm spoiled. Actually, I started watching the show because of gif sets on Tumblr from season 3. I just had to figure out how the heck everything got to that point because it was infuriating not understanding the context of what seemed to be a really fantastic scene.

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    1. There is certainly something I understand about reading spoilers, because it's sometimes definitely easier to deal with a huge happening. But still, the suspense WHAT is going to happen makes a book better for me :D I can understand you wanted to know the ending of The fault in our stars. What a sad and beautiful story.

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  8. I'm on the side that if the books have been published for say, 10+ years, then the information is fair game regardless of TV/movie adaptations. I'm not intentionally going around trying to troll people with "spoilers" but I have the right to seek a discussion about the information.

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  9. I hate spoilers with a passion as well Mel! I think there's a certainly expiry date to spoilers though, like especially Harry Potter or Star Wars or even LOTR, I don't think you can spoil those now. But I hate getting spoilt for things that just came out like the latest Game of Thrones or Walking Dead episode, because people are still catching up and they can really ruin your experience. Awesome post Mel!

    Jeann @ Happy Indulgence

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    1. True! I think that is definitely the best way to look at spoilers. Ongoing things: don't. Completely published works: it's okay, but perhaps with a warning.

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  10. Love this post Mel. <3 Thank you for sharing :) as you know, I need to know just about everything about a book before I start, hih :D But I also respect those who don't. Which is why I don't post spoilers anywhere. And I hope that I don't include any in my reviews. :)

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    1. Haha, you were one of the people I was referring to :p As far as I can tell, I've never read a spoiler in your reviews :)

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  11. I don't know really. Spoilers on twitter are kind of unavoidable sometimes in reading reviews they are as well. It sucks when i run across them but I just try to avoid them on things I am really looking forward to reading.

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  12. I am so guilty of this. I feel terribly sometimes because it really does piss some people off and I can never understand why. I'm a bit weird, I hate surprises, so sometimes I'll find out what happens in the end so I'm never surprised. I don't take to change well so a spoiler doesn't enrage me, it's a bit comforting because at least now I can spare myself from something.

    It's something I've been thinking about more on my blog as well...

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    1. I hope you understand a little why some people are so bothered by spoilers? At least, for me it's taking away the suspense and that's what makes a book so enjoyable :)

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  13. I'm currently making my way through the A Song of Ice and Fire series and I've been avoiding spoilers like the plague – that means no going on Twitter when the new series is on! I've already had one MAJOR event spoiled for me (really annoying as it would have been great to read without knowing it would happen!) so I'm not taking anymore chances.

    I don't blame people if they accidentally let the spoiler slip out, but it does annoy me when people on my Twitter feed post major spoilers like the one I came across. If everyone put SPOILER in caps before they mentioned one, I'd feel so much more at ease.

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    1. I think I know what you are talking about! At least, I had a huge thing spoiled for me, something which happens in one of the episodes from season 4. HORRIBLE, haha. I think accident spoilers can happen, but yes, when people are talking about it and spreading information so randomly..

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  14. Well, for me, anything beyond page 30 in a book is a spoiler, unless the "spoiler" is mentioned in the summary of the book.
    As for series like Harry Potter (which eep! - I've never read!), anything beyond page 30 in the first book I would consider as a spoiler unless, of course, if it's mentioned in the summary. For the rest of the books in the series, it's complicated because things might be bought up in book two that happened in the end of book one in the first 30 pages of book two. It's case by case basis really.
    What I REALLY hate is when publishers post book one spoilers on the summary of book two. For those people who are curious about the series and reads all the summaries back to back, they are spoiled. ):

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    1. YES, that is something I need to tackle too. Spoilers in summaries are so not cool.

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  15. Thanks for sharing your view! It's so not cool to see spoilers on Twitter. :(

    And I agree with Kelly, sequels definitely shouldn't offer spoilers in their synopsis.

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  16. I so love this post, Mel! I HATE spoilers and am so annoyed when people talk about them, especially on Twitter because there's no warning. It's like saying the results on a TV show. For older books, I can definitely see both sides. I still think there should be some sort of warning. If anything, just say SPOILER: beforehand. When publishers have spoilers in the synopsis <<<<< hate.

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    1. Agreed! A warning isn't that hard and spoilers in synopsis are annoying. I might tackle that in my next discussion.

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  17. "and I like to know nothing like Jon Snow" haha love the reference. Spoilers are a tricky thing. What might be considered a spoiler to some might not be to others. I think big plot surprises are definitely spoilers, but I think talking about the general direction of a plot might be fair game (without being too specific). But regardless, I think you should take care when discussing a book, especially on a public platform like Twitter. When I want to go into detail on a book, I will have that conversation via a more private platform - Goodreads messaging, text, email, whatever - so I can speak openly. I don't think people should go around announcing OMG XYZ JUST DIED on Twitter. I personally don't mind spoiler's all that much, I don't always go looking for them but I can still enjoy a book if I know how it is going to end but I get why people hate them.

    And I don't know when it becomes ok to openly discuss a book. Even though the SoIaF books have been published for a while now, the show is new, and it's obvious a lot of people are just starting to read them, or watch the show and could be behind. So I still don't think it is ok to reveal anything. Then again, I don't know if I would filter myself for Harry Potter since both books and movies have already been out for a while even though I know people who haven't read that series. I guess I figure if you haven't read/watched them by now, you don't have a strong desire to so you probably don't care about how it ends. I don't know if that's a good excuse. Good discussion!

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    1. Haha, you are the only one to comment on that :p Agreed, big plot twists and revealings are definitely a spoiler. I also think it's important to keep those conversations personal, because talking openly on Twitter is always 'dangerous' if you don't want to spoil.

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  18. LOVE this post. Love because I also hate spoilers! I do my own research before reading a book which usually involves reading the synopsis. Sometimes I read reviews before going in but IF it's for a next book in a series I'm already in love with: I AVOID anything and everything else beyond that. It gets extremely difficult though when you can't read the book straight away because places like Twitter, Pinterest or Tumblr will pretty much need to be avoided (or like *proceed with EXTREME caution*) so I can remain spoiler free.

    I think everyone should ALWAYS be very very careful posting anything spoilery which is pretty much anything beyond the book blurb/write up (Goodreads) by properly hiding/tagging spoiler-y posts. It's as simple as that, especially for new/recent releases. When you get to older books, it gets tricky though. I think anything fairly recent should be handled with care but it's also fair for whoever hasn't read a book going on years old to take it upon themselves to avoid posts about said book. I mean, if I know someone hasn't read The Hobbit, I won't shout out plot details, but if I share a picture or joke from the film, I'd hope whoever hasn't read it yet would avoid it...it's been out for like 80 years now (maybe more) so either read it or be careful haha! But yeah, I always try to avoid sharing the finer details of plots as a general rule. It's not cool to be spoiled O_O

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    1. I also try to stay away from certain platforms, like when everyone exploded about Allegiant on Twitter. Getting spoiled if you don't want to is the WORST thing.

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  19. This is an interesting discussion topic Melanie. I for one hate being spoiled. It sucks whenever I pre-order a book and it takes forever to arrive, I don't want to stay off Twitter and Goodreads, but sometimes I have to as people are just live tweeting their progress. And with the mood reader that I've become, sometimes I don't want to dive into my copy right away :/ I totally know what you mean about reading spoilers for GoT, I was going to read the books, but just dived right into the show, but we have to wait a whole day for the show to air over here, so it's the whole avoiding twitter. But I have a friend at work whose read the books and just likes dropping snippets of what's to come, and I'm forever blocking my ears. I do love Twitter, but it can be so bad sometimes spoiler-wise. Like the other day I tweeted how Catching Fire the film was breaking my heart and how I couldn't remember what had happened from the books I read years ago and some guy I don't even know told me the entire ending in a tweet! Luckily I didn't check my phone until after I finished watching, but seriously?

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    1. Yes, I also need to avoid Twitter. My sister already told me a spoiler, but a couple of hours later I scrolled through my feed and I saw a picture that revealed the same spoiler..

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  20. It's definitely a touchy subject! I hate spoilers with a passion. They ruin the entire book for me because, like you said, it's all about the journey. It seems futile to be reading through 300 pages when you know character X is going to die at the end. I just think it's courteous to put warnings for spoilers in your reviews. It doesn't affect the readers who don't like being spoiled - all it does to them is give them one extra click on a spoiler tag - but for the readers who avoid spoilers, it's devastating. As for social media like Twitter, take it to DM! Tweets are public space, even your @tweets. If you can't switch to a private service, then honestly, I think it makes you a bit of an asshole. :/ I've been avoiding Twitter a lot recently since the release of Dreams of Gods and Monsters, but I don't feel like I should be made to avoid a whole website.

    As for cases like Game of Thrones...I've thought about it, and I've come to the conclusion that if there is a new iteration of it out, like a TV series or movie or what have you, it doesn't matter whether the original has been out 10+ years. There are new fans finding the story and they deserve not to have it spoiled. Those fans might not even know it was a book before! I kind of came to a conclusion that there mustn't have been any new material in the past five years (book, TV episode, whatever) before you can discuss it (more) openly. There's still flaws in that, but I think it's the fairest option.

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    1. Agreed! Use something more personal if you want to talk about spoilers. Tweeting spoilers openly.. it's very unkind, to keep it nice. I think that is also my opinion now. As long as something is popular and ongoing, like with the show, it's just better to be careful.

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  21. Very interesting discussion! I'm not sure there's a right answer as to when something is considered to be a spoiler and when it's not. Besides factoring in how old a book is, not everyone has the same perspective on what a spoiler is. I don't think things that occur early on merit the exact same "spoiler" label as something, say, that happens at the very end of the book.
    Honestly, I think spoilers are something that each person needs to determine his/her own stance on. If you're really interested in a book/show and have a broad definition of what a spoiler is, for example, then maybe you shouldn't be reading reviews/searching Twitter about that story.
    Not saying that there aren't accidental spoilers, of course. But I'm not sure this is the sort of problem where there's ever going to be an explicit answer.

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    1. Yes, not searching for reviews and stuff like that is definitely important, but those sneaky accidental spoilers are horrible!

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  22. Hmm spoilers also annoy me when I plan on reading a book or watching something. For me I just don't say anything about it on social media, in reviews if it must be said I'll put a warning, or if I'm talking to someone I will ask if they've seen/read it or if they plan on seeing/reading it first before saying something. I never outright say it. I don't know how I got into this habit but that's how I've always handled it.

    As for reading reviews and things I'm actually pretty cautious about it, I often don't read reviews of books I plan on reading but haven't gotten to yet for the fear of a spoiler. I won't watch movie/tv show trailers just in case, if someone mentions it in conversation I automatically tell them I haven't seen/read it yet and to please not say anything that would spoil it for me. I also never finish reading a sentence or whatever on social media if I realise they're referring to something I have yet to get to. Soo I guess in these times I'm out of the loop haha.

    Although yesterday I saw a lot of reviews for the book 'Expiration date', it sounded interesting and the cover was pretty so I uncharacteristically read a few of the reviews. I was automatically dismayed to find that every single review mentioned something that was not in the summary and to me felt like a huge spoiler. Who knows, maybe it isn't a huge spoiler? But considering the summary led me to believe the complete opposite of what the reviews are saying I believe it to be a pretty big spoiler. And now I won't be picking up this book because like you all I can think is "What's the point if I already know that X is this?", these particular reviews reminded me why I don't read reviews until I've read the book myself. So disappointing!

    As for Game of Thrones, this ones hard because everyone's talking about it. So I pretty much just watch every episode as soon as they come out so it won't be spoiled for me. However, I am not reading the books! And I avoid anything GoT related if it's in relation to the books just in case there's something there that spoils everything for me. Spoilers are hard!

    Jord @ Miss Book Reviews

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    1. I tend to stay vague when I say something about it on social media and I always post warning in reviews. It's not that hard to be careful for other people. I also have the same reason to avoid reviews for books I'll be reading soon. It's definitely interesting to realize that we all see spoilers differently. Something I might find 'just a detail' might be a huge spoiler for you. Another thing I'm adding to my list to discuss, thanks :)

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    2. Glad I could help! For me I feel like a spoiler is anything that you don't find out from the book summary or tv/movie trailer, so I think that's why the reviews for that book surprised me as the summary makes you believe something completely different. I also guess it felt jarring because the book summary was saying one thing but the reviews were revealing a piece of information that they probably thought was tiny and not so significant, yet it was the completely opposite of the summary said :/ I guess there are some grey areas with spoilers and what is considered a spoiler etc!

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  23. *screams at universe* I hate spoilers so much, Mel, I cannot even.
    I love how you mentioned: when does a spoiler cease to be a spoiler?
    WELL. I have a story. I haven't read The Great Gatsby, and the movie was coming out last year and I was really excited. I knew there was a big event at the end, but I didn't know. And then Tumblr was all: "SPOILER. But it's not a spoiler because this book is over 100 years old".
    Okay, yes. TGG is over 100 years old or whatever. But I was still spoiled. Can we ever assume that a spoiler is not a spoiler? Especially with movie and TV show adaptations coming out left, right, and centre?
    I really don't know the answer to that one, but that damn Tumblr post ruined the ending for that book and movie for me. Just because the person was being an ass and snobby like 'oh you should have read this because if you haven't you're not a real reader because real readers have read all the classics'. You know the type.
    I always spoiler alert if I have a spoiler in a review. But that is VERY RARE because I don't think a review should have to spoil anything (unless it's something that really pissed me off, that's pretty much the only time I use spoilers, haha).
    As for Twitter and other places ... I don't think there is a solution. I think we'll always be spoiled on those sites, unfortunately. :(

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    1. I think we just need to be careful when something comes in the news again, like with the GOT TV show and the Gatsby movie. Just because something is so old, doesn't mean everybody has read it.

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  24. I get SO paranoid about giving things away on my blog, because I really don't want to ruin something for someone else! Like you said, I pretty much assume that everyone knows how Harry Potter ends though, either through reading the books or watching the films. And also like you, one of my major problems at the moment is A Song of Ice and Fire. I've been writing a bit about it on the blog and damn that series is just FULL of spoilerific moments. I tend to use the 'view spoiler' link on Wordpress which is pretty handy.

    However on Twitter... eh, it's hard. Sometimes (actually mostly on Facebook) I'll sort of refer to a moment without saying what happened - and people that read/saw it get what I mean. And we kind of talk about it without saying names etc. So I guess you could do it that way but not everyone would know what you mean...

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    1. I think that is the best way to talk about sensitive information! I also like to do the same when I live blog about OUAT :)

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  25. I try to avoid social media on Sundays/Mondays - during the show people are live tweeting, and the next day, everyone's talking about what happened. If I haven't seen the episode yet, then I obviously don't want to be spoiled, so I do the only thing I can to avoid spoilers - I avoid the internet! Haha

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  26. I tend to avoid spoilers like the plague... Still, many times I have clicked something only to find a spoiler and start flailing around like my eyes are on fire. With Social Media, it's SO hard to avoid spoilers, and to me- they really matter. Like you said, they can ruin my enjoyment of the book because you already know everything.. In short, spoilers suck! I have no idea how some people can't not mind spoilers- I kind of envy them in a way, haha! With TV shows, I'm a little less bothered about spoilers, I still don't like them so it makes me sad when another country is ahead of you and you can't go on social media for weeks. Sometimes, I can't help myself and I HAVE TO LOOK. I have no self-restraint, basically! XD Great Post! xx

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    1. Oh yes, it would be SO much easier if I wouldn't care about spoilers!

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  27. Awesome thoughts! I'm like you - I HATE spoilers. I love going into books as blind as possible (well, with a little insight to the plot) because I LOVE discovering things as they were intended to be discovered.
    That's an excellent point about how long is long enough to wait. I just had Allegiant spoiled for me recent on Tumblr. Someone made a beautiful meme with a quote THAT GAVE AWAY A MAJOR SPOILER. Now, Allegiant only came out in.... october? I think? So I definitely don't feel like that's long enough. I'm sure some people feel like months are long enough to give people to read a book that's so popular but even years later, I still can't talk about spoilers! Like Harry Potter - I actually know of people who are reading them for the first time! I don't know much they already know from the movies and from talking about them but I've been re-reading and doing mini-reviews and I still can't bring myself to say some of the more spoilery things!!
    It's especially hard with A Song of Ice and Fire. True, the first book came out in 1996, but the fifth book just came out in 2011. Sure, it's been three years, but this is SUCH a massive series that you can't expect people to read them all right away.
    EVEN WORSE -- with the show being out, even diehard fans have to admit that people have just picked this massive series up for the first time. They wouldn't have wanted the experience ruined for them, so I think it's really rude to post spoilers on social media -- about the show or books -- because you don't know who's just starting this for the first time.
    Personally, I think anyone who talks about spoilers on social media is rude lol. I still haven't finished season three of Downton Abbey but that got spoiled for me too so it's like, eh. I know more things happen but it's hard to get motivation to keep going.
    Great post! Lots of excellent points.

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    1. Exactly! That is the reason I tend to stay away from reviews for books I'm about to read/or plan to read soon. I like to be a little in the dark. Ugh, the Allegiant spoiler is horrible :( I also think it's far too soon to talk about it so openly on the internet. It's why I'm also still careful when I talk about things like Harry Potter.

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  28. I don't honestly care about spoilers. I care more about HOW the plot moves than the OUTCOME. In this day, it is not realistic or fair to expect everyone to avoid spoilers. Especially since no one can seem to articulate what they feel a spoiler is.

    For TV and movie, I feel 24 hours is a respectable time to wait for discussion. If a person hasn't seen it and doesn't want spoilers then they should be responsible for keeping themselves away from the online world. No websites, no twitter, no text, nothing.

    For books I think the statute is 6 months. Same rules apply.

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